There’s not much in the NFL like the relationship between center and quarterback. Not only is the center largely responsible for protecting the quarterback, but those two share the literal same space on the field on every single down.

So when Detroit Lions center Frank Ragnow talks about Matthew Stafford, you know everything he is saying is coming with the kind of in-depth knowledge that not many can offer.

In the aftermath of the trade that will send Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams once the 2021 league year begins on March 17, Ragnow joined the “Unrestricted with Ben Leber” podcast this week to talk about his career with the Lions, his ties to Minnesota, and his relationship with Stafford. And, man, if you are missing Stafford already, this may not be the podcast for you.

Ragnow has been Stafford’s center for the past three years—just one-fourth of the quarterback’s career—but the Lions offensive lineman already believes he’ll never have a teammate like him.