"It is against their nature that defensive linemen will discuss holes because their job is to prevent them. As much as they wanted to, they could neither prevent the hole in their line and meeting room Tuesday nor stop talking about the reason for it, teammate Chris Hoke.

"It's going to be different," defensive end Brett Keisel said after learning Hoke's season -- and perhaps his career -- was suddenly over. "Today, I looked over, and usually him and Aaron sit together in our defensive line meeting room. It was just strange not seeing him there.""