The first time Chris Kluwe gave Marquette King some advice long snapper Jon Condo looked at the two punters incredulously.

"This is kind of weird" Condo said. "Is he supposed to be doing this?"

You see Kluwe and King are competing for a job at Raiders training camp with Kluwe the savvy veteran and King the young thumper.

"He's got a cannon for a leg" Kluwe said. "I think I could have kept up with him when I was 22 or 23 but right now power-wise he's got it."

Kluwe came into camp with the slight edge because of his experience. But after a couple of weeks and a preseason game it seems like the margin has gotten even smaller. Each had a punt Friday against the Cowboys: King's went 50 yards (and was muffed). Kluwe's went 36 yards.

"Marquette has worked extremely hard and gotten better" Raiders head coach Dennis Allen said. "The consistency with him as far as get-off times the little details that's what we're hoping to see."

King was stashed on injured reserve last year because Oakland knew it didn't want to pay big money to re-sign Shane Lechler. A powerfully built 6-foot 192-pounder King would drill some above the trees last year in camp but would also mis-hit plenty as he learned how to drop the ball with one hand instead of two.

Kluwe 31 was acquired for some competition after the Vikings waived him despite a career-best 39.7-yard net average.

After a few awkward moments when they met and later when Kluwe first offered King some pointers the two now get along well.