D Mattias Ohlund, who has not played a regular-season game this season, is no longer skating and said Saturday that he does not know when he will.

Said coach Guy Boucher of Ohlund's recovery from Oct. 11 arthroscopic surgeries on both knees, "I don't know where we are."

That is quite a difference from two weeks ago, when there was optimism Ohlund was close to returning. Now, Ohlund said, "I don't even have a timetable."

"He's having some discomfort," GM Steve Yzerman said," so we're going to back off a little bit and re-evaluate and look at other ways that he can get back to training."

Yzerman said he would not characterize the episode as a re-injury but simple "irritation." Ohlund said nothing specific happened. He theorized he might have been too quick to get on skates after the procedures the team said cleaned out "loose bodies" and Ohlund called "pretty extensive."

Ohlund began skating by himself in mid November and participated in a couple of morning skates. Now, Ohlund said, the plan is to "stay off skates, rehab and see how it goes."

"It's hard," he said. "You want to be part of everything. It's not going to help coming in and complaining every day. I try to be as positive as I can, but clearly it's hard."