After LiAngelo Ball and UCLA Bruins teammates Cody Riley and Jalen Hill were charged with shoplifting on a preseason trip to China, detained after the team’s departure, and eventually released and sent back to the U.S. following the intervention of U.S. president Donald Trump, there’s been a lot of discussion about how UCLA should discipline them. Rece Davis brought the matter up on ESPN’s halftime show Tuesday during the Duke-Michigan State game, and while Jay Williams argued for a suspension for “a couple of games,” Seth Greenberg went in much harder.

“A couple of games?! Are you kidding me!” Greenberg yells. “A couple of games, maybe more, we’re talking about kids,” Williams says. Greenberg responds “I don’t care about kids! You’re taking your team to another country, a different culture, they steal things in three different stores allegedly, to me, that’s egregious. You’re representing your family, you’re representing your university, you go to another country and you’re representing your country.”

Here’s the next part, where Greenberg argues for a year-long suspension (saying they should be able to practice with the team, but not play), and Williams is not having it.