It’s no secret that Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant were not on the best of terms for much of their time together with the Los Angeles Lakers. Both of them have said that numerous times over the years, and Phil Jackson recently blamed Shaq’s work ethic for the demise of their early-2000s dynasty.

Bryant echoes this sentiment in a new interview with the New Yorker:

“It used to drive me crazy that he was so lazy,” Bryant told me. “You got to have the responsibility of working every single day. You can’t skate through (expletive).”

Bryant’s perspective has always been that O’Neal coasted to dominance on raw physical ability and size while he worked tirelessly. It’s a one-sided assessment that Shaq has pushed back against over the years, but it’s no surprise that charging these two with leading a team for eight years would inevitably result in a monstrous clash of egos.