"The last time Braves pitchers were at Turner Field, they left with heads down, as did the rest of the team. That was after a 13-inning season-finale loss to Philadelphia on Sept. 28, which ended their 10-20 collapse and kept the Braves out of the playoffs.

When pitching coach Roger McDowell welcomed back some of his charges Monday for the first day of the Braves' early pitching camp at Turner Field, questions about The Collapse and lessons learned from it elicited similar responses.

Not terse, but succinct.

"The calendar turned over to 2012, and so it is a new year," McDowell said. "Like any other experience you go through, good, bad or indifferent, you learn from it and move on.""