They celebrated the 2008 World Series champions Philadelphia Phillies before Sunday’s game against the Toronto Blue Jays, and among the stories being swapped was a cautionary tale about closers and spring training – actually, spring training in general.

Rich Dubee, manager Charlie Manuel’s pitching coach on that team, recalled that the teams closer that season, Brad Lidge, tore his right meniscus in a workout late in February.

“What I remember most is we had to leave him behind in Florida for a week … and then he was perfect for the rest of the season after he joined us,” Dubee, who coached in the Montreal Expos minor-league system for three years, told Phillies broadcaster Larry Andersen.

Indeed, Lidge was perfect: 48-for-48 in save opportunities. He saved seven of the Phillies’ 10 post-season wins, including the final inning of their World Series win over the Tampa Bay Rays in Game 5.

So, good health aside, I asked Blue Jays manager John Gibbons how he knew when a closer was ready coming out of spring training. It depends, he answered. Sometimes its velocity, but in the case of Roberto Osuna, it’s not that easy.