The New York Knicks have lost seven of their last 10 games and say they aren’t tanking—please.

Phil Jackson and the Knicks apparently don’t want to lose games, but it’s hard to believe it based on the product they put on the court.

Here’s a nugget from head coach Jeff Hornacek, per ESPN’s Ian Begley.

In other words, the coach will keep playing guys like Carmelo Anthony and trying to win games unless team president Phil Jackson gives him a ring and says it’s time to look at the future by playing younger guys—in some circles known as tanking.

But let’s be honest—playing veterans is tanking as well. The Knicks have lost two of their last three outings, which doesn’t sound so bad until one realizes those two losses came at the hands of the lowly Brooklyn Nets. The 13-win Brooklyn Nets.